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2009 Season Review

Postby Matt » November 16th, 2009, 8:22 pm

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Over the course of this week we will be releasing the official Australian Autosport Community Season Review. We asked a panel of senior members and the administration team here to rank every driver from this season from 1st to 25th and collected their opinions on certain drivers and teams. To start off today, here are the first 10 drivers that our panel ranked from 25th to 16th. There's not a lot of surprises in these first 10, none the less I hope you enjoy the first part of our review.

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Re: 2009 Season Review

Postby Everso Biggyballies » November 17th, 2009, 12:43 am

Thanks for co-ordinating and putting this together Matt. :yeh: It will of course become more interesting as the lower (higher rated) numbers come up, but the comments to date seem pretty fair and impartial. Thanks also to those we called on with short notice for providing feedback to make this more than a one or two sided angle on things.

To all the other members reading this please dont treat this as a 'read only' document, the idea is to add your own thoughts and comments as we go. Please also understand that we could not involve all of our membership in the initial comments stage and still give Matt the chance to co-ordinate it in a timely fashion! Now is the time to add comment. ;)

In terms of the order that has come up so far, I am a little surprised that Sutil came in as low as he did. From my point of view he did a better job over the season than Fisi did. Sutil is still in my mind up there with the very best when it comes to the wet. As a driver I would like to see him in a better car. The Force India, although it improved over the year was only ever a force (sic) at the lower downforce circuits.

As for Nakajima, wont be missed, close the door on your way out.... Itte rasshai, Dewa Mata, Sayōnara etc.

I still believe that the likes of Grosjean and Aluersari were given a bit of a short straw to have to come into F1 without much in season testing, although Grosjean at least had some testing prior to being dumped in the deep end. Of course the fact that they are now classified as experienced F1 drivers precludes them from the up an coming driver F1 tests next week, which to me are senseless in all but a few cases, deserved by only perhaps Bortolloti Ricciardo, and Hartley off the top of my head.
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Re: 2009 Season Review

Postby Goatlemon » November 17th, 2009, 12:52 am

Everso Biggyballies wrote:In terms of the order that has come up so far, I am a little surprised that Sutil came in as low as he did

Same here, I think I ranked him 11th or something. I'm also a little surprised that Nakajima wasn't the lowest ranked driver; Badoer hadn't driven an F1 car in anger for a long time and only contested two rounds, what was Kazuki's excuse?

I'm stoked that some of my comments made it in to the article. :cloud9:

Thanks Matt, it's a great read so far. :yeh:
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Re: 2009 Season Review

Postby Oldtony » November 17th, 2009, 8:17 am

I'm just waiting for the Lewis/Kimi ratings to really get the comments flowing :D
Great job Matt.

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Re: 2009 Season Review

Postby KenN0898 » November 17th, 2009, 10:36 am

Oldtony wrote:I'm just waiting for the Lewis/Kimi ratings to really get the comments flowing :D
Great job Matt.



Add Jenson to that OT,....can't wait to read the comments,......and yes, nice job Matt
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Re: 2009 Season Review

Postby Matt » November 18th, 2009, 12:10 am

In part 2 of our Australian Autosport Community Season Review we count down drivers 15 through 11 as ranked by our panel of senior members and administrators. There was a couple of close calls in through group and just like Q2 on a Saturday afternoon the slightest change can cause some upsets. Hope you enjoy.

15th Giancarlo Fisichella
Team: Force India Mercedes / Ferrari
Points: 8
Championship Position: 15
Score: 80

Written off many times over by pundits, the Roman once again lead the way in Force India delivering the team its maiden podium and in doing so earning himself a seat at Ferrari, something he had dreamed of as a boy growing up in Italy. In fulfilling a child hood dream he has perhaps closed the book on his Formula One career. Although the Italian remains hopeful of a race seat next season (should Ferrari release him from his test driver duties), it’s unlikely he will find a home on the grid which looks increasingly unlikely to be the twenty six car behemoth promised by Mosley.

Fisichella tells reporters he doesn’t regret choosing Ferrari over remaining at Force India, a familiar story that’s replayed itself out many times over in Formula One when a driver chooses to follow the heart. Would Fisichella trade that Ferrari drive for a win at Monza? Would he trade that Ferrari drive for a secure contract next season? Only Giancarlo knows, but I expect the emotional Italian will sit back in years to come, relaxing with a slice of his favorite potato pizza and recall fondly his shot in a Ferrari because that’s just the type of guy he is. Very ‘appy.

Schueyfan adds: A year of two distinct halves for Fisi. At Force India, he was fantastic, particularly at Spa, but also with his underrated performances at Monaco and Silverstone. However, he struggled in the Ferrari, in a car that was hard to learn.

Goatlemon adds: He lived every stereotypical Italian driver's dream of driving for Ferrari, earned a legitimate pole in Spa and scored Force India's first ever podium that same race. I think it's worth overlooking his performance at Ferrari considering it was probably a very different car compared to what he was used to.



14th Robert Kubica
Team: BMW-Sauber
Points: 17
Championship Position: 14
Score: 81

To paraphrase my favorite writer, Bill Simmons - Robert Kubica is someone who was underrated for a while, received too much credit for being underrated, then eventually became overrated even as everyone continued to maintain that he was underrated. Judging from this result it looks like people are finally coming around.

Robert got off to a solid start to the season, looking at a podium finish in Australia but his poor race craft (Oldtony: His passing moves indicate a future in NASCAR) led to an incident that Vettel got the blame for but it was Kubica’s poor judgment that which led to the incident. The lesson here for Robert is when the guy in front has shot tyres and is three seconds a lap slower, you don’t, that is do not lunge from way back and expect that car with shot tyres not to under steer into you. With BMW’s pace fading throughout the midseason, Kubica didn’t feature in many races until the home stretch of the year. A strong drive to the podium in Brazil was the highlight of an otherwise disastrous year.

Kubica beat Heidfeld in qualifying by a score of 10 to 7, but for the second year out of their three together, it was Heidfeld who proved the more cagey driver, scoring more points and more points finishes. When one is viewed as a potential superstar and the other a journeyman these numbers don’t fit the picture which is perhaps why Heidfeld is in the running for a seat at McLaren while Kubica is headed for a middling Renault drive and also why Heidfeld was unanimously voted ahead of Robert by our panel.

Schueyfan adds: Struggled with a poor car early in the season, and didn't always get the best out of it compared to Heidfeld, but stong performances later in the year, such as Spa and Brazil, showed his future potential is still there. A strong drive in Melbourne, in which he could have fought for the win in the last lap or two, also went unrewarded.



13th Kamui Kobayashi
Team: Toyota
Points: 3
Championship Position: 18
Score: 88

A drastic overreaction from our panel or a bright spark for F1 as the dark cloud of manufacturer exodus hangs over F1? Kamui Kobayashi has hit the ground running in F1 with two inspired race performances. His debut in Brazil planted the seed when he stubbornly rebuffed Jenson Button’s challenges and bloomed in Abu Dhabi with a mature one stop drive to sixth from outside the top ten. Before Timo Glock’s injury, Kamui-san had hit a dead end in the road. The money wasn’t there and despite a promising GP2 Asia series, his campaign in the GP2 F1 feeder series was underwhelming to say the least. Romain Grosjean who had looked good in GP2 was struggling at Renault and F1 insiders were shaking their heads at the lack of junior talent available. Kamui was planning to return home and seek employment at his father’s sushi restaurant when the phone rang from Toyota. Timo Glock had sustained a fracture from his shunt at the Japanese Grand Prix and wouldn’t be healthy in time for the Brazilian Grand Prix. Kobayashi would take his place, at a circuit he’s never driven, one of the most challenging on the calendar. No easy task for a rookie who no one expected much from.

Instead Kobayashi was a revelation. The spotlight of Formula One brought the Japanese driver to life and he battled wheel to wheel with world champions and held his own.

Kobayashi has already built up a cult following amongst many F1 fans but neutrals will point to his lack of pace in qualifying and that he really only out performed himself rather than the car - sixth being a pretty standard result for a Toyota. Expectations need to be tempered and it’s possible since Toyota’s withdrawal from the sport that we’ll never see Kobayashi in an F1 car again. I joked after the Brazilian Grand Prix that perhaps he should retire and let the world always wonder. Sometimes the legend is better than the truth. For Kamui Kobayashi we’ll wait and see.

Bleeding Gums adds: Kamui Kobayashi may well be a flash in the pan, then again he may well be something very special to F1 racing and the sport itself. This kid was seriously impressive in only two outings, and his pass on Button was one of my highlights of the year.



12th Timo Glock
Team: Toyota
Points: 24
Championship Position: 10
Score: 96

I’m surprised Timo was ranked quite so high. Of course the saying goes you’re only as good as your last race and sitting out the last couple of the season has probably lowered Glock’s value in my mind but other members of our panel voted him into the top 12. A poor qualifier, Glock has crafted his trade on heavy fuel loads and long Sunday afternoons drives that land him in the lower points scoring positions. Out of six races he qualified inside the top 10, Timo only parlayed this into a points scoring result three times.

Glock had already been told to look elsewhere by Toyota by the time he reached Singapore and the strongest result of the season, second place from sixth on the grid. One week later Glock had an unusual crash during that extraordinary qualifying session for the Japanese Grand Prix and was replaced for the last two races due to injury -reminiscent of Heidfeld in 2005.

It becomes easy to label drivers like Glock as having potential, a word repeatedly uttered by our review panel and you get the feeling sometimes that F1 has enough potential to sink the titanic, again. But you have to ask yourself where Timo is going to fit within the next five years of F1. Drivers like Webber and Trulli survived this part of their career on qualifying speed alone. Others like Massa and now Sutil carved out a niche in the fast but erratic category. Glock is still looking for an identity.

His name has been discussed as a possible team mate alongside Robert Kubica at Renault which is the perfect opportunity for him. Alternatively a seat at Manor F1 would be a frictionless, lateral move and viewed as a return to square one. Beating Kubica would help Timo, and us, figure out just what he has to offer Formula One.

Schueyfan adds: A year that started with great promise in Malaysia failed to live up to its potential, especially considering he again failed to account for Trulli. Qualifying remained a major problem for Timo, but his racing was good.



11th Nick Heidfeld
Team: BMW-Sauber
Points: 19
Championship Position: 13
Score: 105

If there is a driver that Timo Glock draws the most parallels to it’s his German compatriot, affectionately named Quick Nick by fans, Heidfeld has been a journeyman in Formula One throughout this decade. As a driver, Nick’s gone up against Kimi Raikkonen, Mark Webber, Felipe Massa and Robert Kubica in the same team and beaten all of them. In 2005 Nick Heidfeld revived his ailing career by winning the second Williams seat over Pizzonia but surprised many by beating Mark Webber and claiming Williams only pole position that season. Impressed by Nick’s abilities, BMW signed him on to drive for their own team and since then he has performed consistently and won over many people with his no nonsense approach. Heidfeld holds to the streak of most consecutive race finishes, one that only came to an end after a misguided recovery spin from Adrian Sutil collected his BMW-Sauber at the Singapore Grand Prix. This consistency in mind it should come as no surprise that Heidfeld is in the discussion for a seat at McLaren or Brawn, both teams recognizing his strengths as a team player, his ability to rack up points and his highly regarded technical experience.

Getting back to the point of this review however, Nick’s 2009 started with a sneaky podium in the rain shortened race at Malaysia and finished the year with another four points finishes and out qualified Kubica at Monaco, Spa and Suzuka though the Pole edged him in overall qualifying head to head.

Should Heidfeld land at McLaren or Brawn in 2010 he’ll be a fan favorite to finally get the monkey off his back and win a race. If you believe in the Hindu concept karma you will point to Canada 2008 when an unselfish driver put the position of his team ahead of himself and gave up his chance to win in order to secure a one-two finish and victory for his team mate. Do good things and good things will happen to you. I hope this mantra finally rings true for Quick Nick.

Schueyfan adds: Regularly got the best out of a poor car, easily accounting for Kubica in the 1st half of the season. He once again showed his guile in weird races by getting on the podium in Malaysia. Had a consistent end to the year, usually just shading Robert.


Check back tomorrow for part 3 of our 5 part series.
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Re: 2009 Season Review

Postby SchueyFan » November 18th, 2009, 12:44 am

Interesting to see the ratings so far.

I agree with Goatlemon that Badoer was a little harsh to be seen as worse than Nakajima, or even Piquet. Bourdais also seems a little high for me, and Fisichella could be possibly a little bit too low - but its hard to say.

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Re: 2009 Season Review

Postby Matt » November 18th, 2009, 1:23 am

Badoer was two and a half seconds off the pace compared to Fisi being only about 0.4 off Raikkonen and the field in general was within a second and a half top to bottom so even if it seems harsh if we're just playing by the numbers then Badoer was clearly the worst.
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Re: 2009 Season Review

Postby Cobia » November 18th, 2009, 9:25 am

Nick’s gone up against Kimi Raikkonen, Mark Webber, Felipe Massa and Robert Kubica in the same team and beaten all of them


If this was true Nick would be at Ferrari or world champion.
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Re: 2009 Season Review

Postby Everso Biggyballies » November 18th, 2009, 1:21 pm

Cobia wrote:
Nick’s gone up against Kimi Raikkonen, Mark Webber, Felipe Massa and Robert Kubica in the same team and beaten all of them


If this was true Nick would be at Ferrari or world champion.


Factually it is true though, in the years he shared teams with all those drivers he scored more points than them. He outscored Massa at Sauber, as he did Raikkonen, he then outscored Webber in points podiums and poles in the races they were together at Williams.

He scored more points than Kubica in the time they were together at BMW, beating him 3 seasons to 1 (the first season of that was only from Hungary on after ex WDC Villeneuve was dropped in favour of Kubica.) Actually you can add Villeneuve to the list of team mates beaten by Heidfeld. Of course his bad luck continued at BMW when he was leading the Canadian GP, but was ordered to allow Kubica to pass him and follow Robert home in a 1-2.

Nick is by far the most unlucky driver on the grid, having been contracted, or promised the McLaren seat in 2002 that Raikkonen came in and took from him. He was promised that seat after being a Mercedes West driver in F3 and F3000, (winning both championships) plus 2 years as McLaren Test driver (before they placed him at Sauber as a learning year prior to supposedly taking up the race seat at McLaren for 2002) As a result of that and having to look for anything to stay in F1 his career was one of fighting for a drive.

Given the right opportunities in F1, even the opportunities he was promised, he could have ......
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Re: 2009 Season Review

Postby SchueyFan » November 18th, 2009, 2:10 pm

Matt wrote:Badoer was two and a half seconds off the pace compared to Fisi being only about 0.4 off Raikkonen and the field in general was within a second and a half top to bottom so even if it seems harsh if we're just playing by the numbers then Badoer was clearly the worst.


Sure, but I don't think we should be just playing by the numbers. If we were, we could just put down the championship order.

The point of this is to consider all circumstances, for example car performance, consistency, bad luck, inexperience etc. Badoer came in in very adverse circumstances (long gap without racing, close field, hard car to learn), and therefore should be considered in a different light to someone like Nakajima who had one of the fastest cars in the field for a lot of the season and did nothing either.

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Re: 2009 Season Review

Postby Matt » November 18th, 2009, 3:13 pm

Badoer finished last in two races where his team mate was on the podium so car performance wasn't the problem. Circumstances were stacked against him sure, but then you look at Liuzzi, Kobayashi, Grosjean and Alguersuari who all came in and were much closer to their team mates than Badoer managed.

End of the day Nakajima, Piquet and Badoer all received votes as the "worst" driver and this process was a democratic one and when everything was collaborated it was Badoer who ended up at the bottom.
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Re: 2009 Season Review

Postby Cobia » November 18th, 2009, 6:29 pm

he could have ......


2000 Heidfeld - Rookie Year @ Prost with Jean Alesi
- Equal on points with his team mate a total of 0 or nil
- best result was 8th (paid points to sixth)
- Finished 7 out of 17 races

2001 - @ Sauber with Kimi in his rookie year
- Nick 12 points v Kimi 9 points
- 4th in constuctors

2002 - @ Sauber with Massa in his rookie year and Frentzen USA sub
- Nick 7 points v Massa 4 points

2003 - @ Sauber with Heinz Harold Frentzen
- Nick 6 points v Frentzen 13 points

2004 - @ Jordan with Glock in his rookie year and Pantano who left after Canada
- Nick 3 points v Glock 2 points

2005 - @ Williams with Webber
- Nick 28 points v Mark 36 points (don't know how you can say nick outscored mark??? :thinking: )

2006 - @ BMW with Villeneuve and Kubica in his rookie half year
- Nick 23 points v Jaq 7 points v bob 6 points

2007 - @ BMW with Kubica
- Nick 61 points v bob 39 points
2nd in WCC

2008 - @ BMW with Kubica
- Nick 60 points v bob 75 points
3rd in WCC

2009 - @ BMW with Kubica
- Nick 19 points v bob 17 points (won by a nose and not two lengths)

He could have been what?
Does Nick have a drive for next year?
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Re: 2009 Season Review

Postby SchueyFan » November 18th, 2009, 9:12 pm

Matt wrote:Badoer finished last in two races where his team mate was on the podium so car performance wasn't the problem. Circumstances were stacked against him sure, but then you look at Liuzzi, Kobayashi, Grosjean and Alguersuari who all came in and were much closer to their team mates than Badoer managed.


Yes, but the car was hard to learn, not slow. Massa, Raikkonen, Badoer and Fisichella all proved that.

I think circumstances were against Badoer even more because of his lack of racing. Its one thing plodding around Fiorano with no-one watching, but its very different to perform on the world stage. All the others had been racing recently, including in GP2, which is still a pressure-filled environment, in which they have pressure to perform to further their careers. Badoer had raced nothing for 10 years!

Of course the decision has been made, and it won't be changed - but its good to debate it, as I'm sure we'll do for the higher rankings. :)

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Re: 2009 Season Review

Postby BleedingGums » November 19th, 2009, 3:16 am

SchueyFan wrote:
Yes, but the car was hard to learn, not slow. Massa, Raikkonen, Badoer and Fisichella all proved that.




You're right! :shock:

However, Massa Kimi and Fisi all did a lot betterer than Badoer. It's not that he wasn't on the same page as the other three, more like he was in another chapter... :roll:

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